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Smoking ban scheduled to start Oct. 1 in Montana

By Bill Vander Weele
Sidney Herald
Published on Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:02 AM MST


Unless the Montana Legislature drastically overturns its decision in 2005, smoking will become illegal in the state’s bars and casinos starting Oct. 1.

“It does have to go through the legislative session again,” Holly Salsbury, head of the Richland County tobacco prevention program, said. “If they rescind or something happens, then it may not take place.”

Montana’s Clean Indoor Air Act was partially implemented in 2005. That law prohibited the use of tobacco products in such places as public schools, restaurants, stores, public and private office buildings, trains, buses, other forms of public transportation, health care facilities, auditoriums, arenas, assembly facilities and meeting rooms open to the public.


Bars and casinos were exempted until October 2009 provided that smoke from the bar doesn’t infiltrate into areas where smoking is prohibited.

Salsbury notes three area bars – the Triangle Nite Club, the Sidney Country Club and Bink’s Bar in Savage – elected to go smoke-free prior to the 2009 deadline.

“Those are the three businesses that went ahead of the law,” Salsbury said. She’s heard each of the businesses have received some compliments about the policy.

She explains that because of the four-year exemption for bars and casinos created in 2005, the Montana Tavern Association made a handshake agreement not to fight the bill in 2009.

The main opposition appears to be coming from Sen. Jerry Black, R-Shelby, who has reportedly drafted a bill to permanently exempt bars and casinos. That bill, however, hasn’t been submitted in the Legislature, which began meeting Monday.

If the law goes into effect Oct. 1, it’s expected to slow activity at local bars and casinos at least for a while.

“It’s going to be a big transition. I’m sure there are people definitely not happy about it,” Salsbury said.

Joel Kleinsasser, manager at the Cattle-ac, added, “I think it will take a toll on business for a while.”

He feels people should have the choice to relax with a cigarette at lunch time after not being able to smoke at the office all day.

“Personally, I think it should be up to the establishments like it is now,” Kleinsasser said.

Brian Heck, co-owner of the Regal Eagle Bar and Casino, says one positive for bars and casinos is that everybody will be in the same boat. “Because everybody has to do it, if it causes headaches it will be for everyone.”

The Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services reports that 75 percent of Montanans support the Montana Clean Indoor Air Act now compared to 67 percent in 2006. The department also says 87 percent of those surveyed feel it’s important for bar and casino employees to have a smokefree workplace.

Penalties for violating the law include: A warning for the first violation; a written reprimand for the second violation; and within any three-year period, $100 for a third violation, $200 for a fourth violation, and $500 for a fifth or subsequent violation.

“It’s more of an education law really,” Salsbury said. “That’s how I approach it. I try to work with them.”

Health officials hope the law will lead some individuals into a tobacco-free lifestyle. Salsbury said the participants of the Montana Quit Line get a package of benefits that includes free and personalized counseling from experienced counselors, self-help materials and free NRT (nicotine patches, gum or lozenges).

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Comments

The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the view of the Sidney Herald.

    ND Reader wrote on Jan 23, 2009 12:41 PM:

    " Do it for the kids! "

    smoker wrote on Jan 22, 2009 7:42 AM:

    " i wrote in here earlier about how i am a smoker and agree to passing a law about banning public smoking. my statements hold true. i understand that there are a lot of mixed emotions towards public smoking, but i have to say that i agree with a lot of the other people who have commented about not being able to take their children to certain places because of their allowing smoking in their establishment. why can't there be more places like the Depot. they allow smoking in their gambling room and the door is always closed. at least i close it when i go in there. i don't know how many others are considerate enough to do so. as a smoker, this is my habit. nobody else that i live with needs to be around my smoke, which is why i go outside. sure it's darn cold in the winter, but it's better than having company come over and all they can smell is stale smoke in my house. i don't want my house to be like that and i don't want my kids to smell it in my house either. second hand smoke does so much damage to our children and these are the people of our future. this is one of the main reasons we don't go out to eat much is because with us being such a small community the way it is and our selections aren't the highest, i would rather stay home and cook a meal with my family instead of going out and eating at the same places all the time. that being said, anyone with any sense of mind and compassion for our younger generations and who isn't so self centered will read this and understand why we need to pass this law. it's not hard to go outside for your smoke, i do it all the time. "

    Happy Citizen wrote on Jan 19, 2009 11:35 PM:

    " After reading all the comments I can't believe the mentality of some people! Secondhand Smoke endangers the lives of everyone around it. For those of you that feel that a stand alone bar should be exempted from this law and should be able to continue to allow smoking, then what about the employees or distributors that have to be in the place? Do they get a choice or do they just have to breathe it because it is their job? Tobacco use is the number one cause of preventable death in the United States! I personally don't want to be subjected to this! If you want to smoke, step outside! The bars/restaurants and casinos will be pleasantly surprised at the increase in their business when this law passes and they will probably see people in their establishments that never would have been there when smoking was allowed inside! I can't wait for October 1, 2009!! "

    nonsmoker wrote on Jan 19, 2009 9:38 PM:

    " I'm not a smoker. I hate smoke, and I am regularly irritated by some of the extra habits of some of the smokers that I run across on a regular basis. There's an ashtray on your table for a reason, and no, the carpet is NOT meant to be one large ashtray! Now, I don't care if you smoke - I respect your habits - I'm not even that concerned about taking in your second hand smoke, I am choosing to go out with the knowledge that I'll be exposed to smoke. I know how moody some people can be when they go too long without lighting up. I just wish the majority of the smokers had a little more respect for the people and facilities around them. THESE are the people that will ruin it for the few more-responsible smokers out there.

    I fully believe, in a bar scenario, it needs to be up to the owner/management to decide their smoking status (how Constitutional is this mandate, I wonder?) I think the state is going about this the wrong way - if they're going to mandate clean air, they should do it just like that - clean air, not "no smoking" - Give the businesses an impurities limit of so many parts-per-million, and write them up on violations of that nature, instead. Give the business an open chance to improve air filtration and ventilation systems - I've been in some heavy-smoking bars with clean air - it's possible. I've also had the "pleasure" of forcing my way through a large group of smokers, blasted by a concentrated cloud of smoke, just trying to get into the doors of non-smoking businesses. Many of which are holding the door open so they don't have to stand out in the cold, letting the smoke back in, and the heat out. How inviting is THAT?

    As I said, I don't smoke, I don't like the smoke, but I think it would be a grave mistake to force businesses to ban it.

    Obesity? Well, maybe - just maybe those arguments make about as much relavant sense as the arguments given supporting this mandate. - Of course, that amount is still about zero.

    For those of you that think Sidney needs a true non-smoking bar -- This IS a free country, you're more than welcome to try to open one up - put it outside the city limits, so you have a chance to get a fresh license, (or wait till the mandate passes and see how many suddenly become available) You're sure to get customers. You might even pay the bills. But you're going to have to get very creative to make a living with it. Good luck!

    As for the rest of the bars - I suspect there will be some serious loss of business, either that or they'll ignore the mandate and just pay the fines as they come up.

    Freedom of choice - enjoy it while it lasts!!! "

    point being missed wrote on Jan 19, 2009 6:02 PM:

    " I have tried to read most of your blogs but it is ridculous on how you treat each other. That being said the fight over this law (and others like it) boils down to "Can laws be passed based on morality?" If you feel they can, than this is a great law. If not, than this law infringes on the rights of the BUSINESS owners to make their own decisions. Your blogs prove the point-you all have your opinion and it obviously the only right opinion. I have my opinion on smoking-which is completely irrevalant at this point, but I do have a strong opinion on how much control I want the government to have. And that opinion is..please, let me decide what is right for me to believe in. P.S. About the obesity thing-there are cities (Chicago and New York) that are passing ordinaces about eliminating trans fat from the restaurants ingredients. This is very possibly the next issue you can beat each other up over. "

    Mother of 2 wrote on Jan 19, 2009 3:36 PM:

    " I have read the comments posted and would have to go along with WOW in stating that it would be nice to have a few more options when taking the family out for a good supper. We use to order our food for take out from the Cattle-ac up until we were not able to take the kids in even to pick up our food, I will not leave my kids in the car by themselves, even just for a few moments. And to Taxpayer, are some of the restaurants/bars that have smoking, forcing others to choose the less healthy foods that lead to obesity? "

    Marilyn wrote on Jan 19, 2009 10:00 AM:

    " Sorry tax payer, but your argument is silly and almost laughable. You as a smoker trying to turn the table on others (in this case obese people) just so you can protect your disgusting habit. Your habit affects all of us in many negative ways. Health insurance costs that we pay for because of you, untimely deaths that could have been prevented, because of you, the air I breath (or can't) because of you. I could go on and on. It just shows how desperate you are to try turn the tables on others in defense of your disgusting habit. Have fun with your smokes...I know I sure don't enjoy being around you. "

    taxpayer wrote on Jan 19, 2009 5:41 AM:

    " according to the centers for disease control and prevention, obesity in the United States has reached epidemic proportions. In Montana, 57% of adults are overweight or obese and 22% of high schoolers are overweight or at risk of becoming overweight. Overall, 28% of Montana school age children are overweight or obese. Heart attack, strokes, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol, and all the medical problems asso. with obesity. Yes, check your facts again, obesity has surpassed smoking as the leading cause of death in the US. I didn't just pull these stats out of air, the are right out of an insert in the Billings Gaz., Lifewise Jan/Feb/Mar 2009. You want to talk about what smoking costs society, you bet, it's not healthy, but I choose to do so. And I think if laws can be made for my health, and everyone else, how about let's do it fairly. Big Macs and french fries are bad for you, tax them. Second hand obesity has't affected you? Who have you lost to heart attack, diabetes, stroke, the list goes on. What cost to the public, from obesity? With in a generation or two, smoking will be gone, God willing, people will be smarter. When we're gone, fat people can be the new crusade. "

    Cant Wait wrote on Jan 18, 2009 6:48 PM:

    " Can't wait until smoking is NO longer allowed in the bars/restaurants in Sidney. It's a great law and it's about time Sidney got on board. Many states/cities have had these laws for years. I know it's wonderful here in California when I can go out and not have to worry about smelling like an ashtray! "

    wrote on Jan 18, 2009 3:07 PM:

    " Are you sure you want to go down this slippery slope?

    I love numbers, they are unbiased.

    Smoking kills 500,000 in the US, and costs our health care system $80 billion .
    Obesity kills only 300,000, but costs over $100 billion.
    So is it the second hand smoke you should worry about or whats on the plate?
    Think about what law comes next? "

    Somebody wrote on Jan 18, 2009 1:57 PM:

    " Anyone with a basic education ought to know that second-hand smoke is far more potent and deadly - and that the medical problems that smokers end up with becomes a huge burden on the health care system and, as a result, our economy. Smokers that think it is perfectly acceptable to infringe upon the health of those that choose to live a healthy lifestyle ought to be ashamed of opposing this law. It is nothing but selfish to expose others to harm due to addiction. Many major cities and other states have adopted similar laws and there have been nothing BUT benefits from it. "

    Sympathetic Non-Smoker wrote on Jan 18, 2009 12:06 PM:

    " Although I am not a smoker, I believe it is unfair for the government to make every casino and drinking establishment in the state smoke free. I understand that most non-smokers do not want to be exposed to second-hand smoke. However, it is their choice as adults whether or not to go where smoking is allowed. With that said, I think a logical compromise would be to allow the bar or casino owners to decide if they want their establishment to be smoke free or not. I also think that all these establishments should be required to post on their doors and in any advertisements their smoking status. That way, regardless of your smoking status, you would be aware of which establishments would be more comfortable for you.

    Also, I believe that these businesses that are forced to go non-smoking will see a big difference in their bottom line profits. A vast majority of my friends who do smoke say that they will not go to a bar and spend $3 for a beer or drink if they have to also freeze their behinds off to go outside and smoke. They say they would much rather buy their liquor much more cheaply, invite friends over, and be able to smoke in the comfort of their own homes. "

    yeah right wrote on Jan 18, 2009 10:13 AM:

    " To "taxpayer": You are incorrect when you say obesity is the leading cause of death...it IS tobacco. You forget that a lot of obese people also smoke. But by far, tobacco use leads to more deaths than being obese. Also, you complain that the reason people go to Williston is so they can go to the Trenton tobacco shop and get cigs tax free...and then decide to go on to Williston to Wally-world???? Yeah, in your dream. I doubt the hundreds of mothers with children and grandma riding along are actually going to Trenton to pick up their stash of tax free cigs and then decide it would be a great idea to head on to Williston to pick up clothing, shoes, cleaning supplies, food, etc.. etc.. LOL. You smokers just don't get it...I would rather sit next to a happy, clean smelling obese person in a restaraunt than a crabby smelly, cranky chain smoker ANYDAY. What is more important to you in a RESTARAUNT...food or smokes. I think your cig can wait until after the meal...OUTSIDE. "

    All I know.... wrote on Jan 16, 2009 10:13 AM:

    " All i know is that i love going to the triangle where I can sit down, have steak, mosy on over to the bar and have a drink. At the end of the night, go home and wake up the next morning not smelling like an ash-tray. Same scenario at the Cattle-Ac: I would wake up the next morning hacking out my left lung. I hope that smokers understand that they are FREE to choose whatever they want to do, however, don't do it around me. I am in full support of this law and can't wait until it gets passed. I have heard of "smoking hubs" built ouside the doors, where you can simply step outside the bar OR RESTAURANT and smoke in the heated hub and not even get cold when its -30!! Isn't that quite the compromise?? "

    ... wrote on Jan 15, 2009 4:38 PM:

    " It seems that everyone still believes that the United States is a good place to live. Maybe the primary reason for this is the word "freedom". I would think this should apply to every legal citizen but does it really? Today the mentality is "I would like to choose my freedoms, and I'll also choose yours. Tobacco has been smoked in religion, recreation, celebrations, social settings, etc., for THOUSANDS of years. How important do you think you are that now you come along, you disagree and now we have to change some things because because it hurts "me". Bottom line is, just as you are free to patronize these establishments, you are also free NOT to. Keep this in mind as well. As for the people who say they will just take their kids to the "RESTAURANT" and not the "BAR", well the same place by a different name is still the same place isn't it? "

    obiviously wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:21 PM:

    " Obviously most of you don't frequent some of the bars very much, because I see minors in them all the time playing pool and on the machines. It may not be on weekends, but we are in a dart league and on Monday nights I see people I know aren't 21 drinking from beer bottles in the bars. Before I turned 21, Sidney was really hard on underage people being in the bar, but anymore it doesn't seem to matter, I see people that just graduated high school in them drinking and playing the casino machines. I have to think this has come with "little Reno" effect Sidney has going since you only have to be 18 to be in a casino I guess they figure you should get to drink too, I have seen someone who was just 18 get served their free beer because they were playing a machine.
    I think this is the much more important issue than smoking or non-smoking....no one will have to close if they go non-smoking because as Rocking R said there are still way to many people in Sidney who like to get drunk... "

    Agree with Rockin R wrote on Jan 15, 2009 10:26 AM:

    " I agree with Rockin R's comments 100%. For those of you who don't know, the Triangle has been smoke free, both in the bar and the dining room, for a couple years now. From what I've heard from people who've talked to Lois, business has been just as good, if not better, than it was when smoking was still allowed. Its really about the only place in town where folks can go for a nice dinner and actually be able take their kids. I for one can say that I enjoy going there, both to eat and grab a drink, and coming out of there not stinking to high heaven. Its quite nice actually! I see all the same people still there who used to go there before they went smoke free. They simply step outside for a few minutes when they need a smoke, simple as that. I've never heard any complaining.
    I know a lot of people who would like to go to the Cattle-Ac as well but can't go there because of their kids. Same goes for area sports teams and teens who used to go there before prom etc. If they're not 18, they can't go there. If you think about it, that business is being given to places like the Triangle, and kudos to Lois for being intuitive and concerned enough about her customers to make that decision!
    For those of you that smoke, you made the decision to do so. No one forced you. You knowingly endanger your own health to do so. Why should everyone around you have to suffer and endanger their own health for your poor choices? No one's discriminating against you when you know full well that its not a healthy thing to do and choose to do it anyway. Seriously a minute or two outside while you puff is not going to kill you nearly as much as that cigarette will. "

    club bud wrote on Jan 15, 2009 4:54 AM:

    " If it's a stand alone bar then why not allow smoking. You're not going to see any one under 18 or 21 there and if any adults don't like the smoke they can always go elsewhere. This makes no sense to me. This law should be modified. "

    drinker wrote on Jan 14, 2009 6:51 PM:

    " dont worry wow you will probably get your way. i just beleave it should be up to the owner of the buisness to set his or her own rules and yes it sounds like something a little to tight. "

    wow.... wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:06 PM:

    " again i will say it.... I don't plan on taking my children to BARS...JUST RESTAURANTS so why should I have to inhale smoke to eat dinner?? And for your info, usually if you have children- dinner is early enough to tatally miss the bar crowd so I'm not saying I would go to dinner at 9 with my children so they can see what happens when ppl are getting all crazy in the bar ...seriously, do ppl honestly think before they respond??? it really makes me cringe that you would even think I would belly up to the bar with my kid in tow...what an outrageous thing to say..cmon people please get real here and quit being self righteous...there have been plenty of times when we would go out to dinner and see complete families at these "bars"...and I would totally be ok with the separation wall etc., but I highly doubt that anybody around town would be willing to foot the bill for those renovations(if that was an option to avoid going completely non-smoking)....but I guess if they want the smoking crowd that bad then they'll do what they got to do....and I don't frequent the bars at all so thankfully I don't have to worry about going out and getting exposed to the smoke...I just want more choices for a steak dinner with my children, is that too much to ask? And "taxpayer" my knickers are no way in a knot, I simply was backing my opinoin that you called me out on, which was not directed towards you in the first place.... so you can press on, i'm done here! "

    person wrote on Jan 14, 2009 1:54 PM:

    " Personally I despise cigarette smoke because I'm allergic to it. But at the same time I believe smoking should be allowed in stand alone bars. Restaurants with bars that want to allow smoking in the bars should be required to segment off the bar area, keep it closed off from the dinning area with a two different air systems for the two areas as to not cross contaminate the air. This is how some other states have found a happy medium for both drinking smokers and non-smoking dinners.

    I just believe smoking goes with drinking. No children should be in bars anyway, and anyone willing to be around alcohol consumption should be wiling to inhale second hand smoke.

    And if you don't want to inhale second hand smoke, simple, don't go out to bars. "

    taxpayer wrote on Jan 14, 2009 11:58 AM:

    " Goodness there, don't be getting your knickers in a knot over an opinion. I am not happy about having personal choices taken away from me because someone has decided to make a law for my own good. How long before no smoking, no how, no where, not even in your own home. And yes , people will question what you are doing in a bar with children weather it's legal or not. When you judge others, you open yourself for judgement also. I would much prefer the owners of the bars and casinos to make their own choice as to smoking or non smoking. As children have no need to be a bar or a casino, adults can make the choice where they want to be and do so accordingly. Go to your smoke free bar and leave mine alone. "

    wow.... wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:26 AM:

    " oh, and by the way taxpayer...the law isn't saying that smokers can't smoke like you're analogy with the milkshake and fries...they're not taking the cigarettes away, they're just saying go ahead and do it, just don't do it around others that choose not to(many ppl have health problems that are accelerated by this habit--don't think anyone I know has had an asthma attack from sitting by a guy eating his big mac). It's not quite the drama ridden ban that you're making it out to be... "

    wow... wrote on Jan 14, 2009 9:20 AM:

    " hey taxpayer, if you would reread my comments absoluely none of them were directed towards you, so you can quit trying to stir up any drama...Of course I don't take my kids in bars now, it is against the law...I SAID I TOOK THEM THERE BEFORE THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED!!! I never said you were blowing smoke in mine or my children's faces but just think of it this way...if I want to go have a good steak dinner why am I forced to have two places in town to choose from compared to those that can go eat meals without their kids having four choices. The Cattle Ac and the Ranger both have great meals and trust me I would only be in there long enough to eat our meals and drink my Iced Tea. I have no intentions of turning my children into bar rats but if I want to have a good steak dinner and something a little different once in a while why am I discriminated against because I have children that I would like to spend time with. And, I wouldn't think that anyone would intentionally smoke near to children (at least I hope they wouldn't) so why is it so hard to take a few steps outside to do your habit. I have plenty of friends that do that courtesy to their families.Thanks to Rockin R, smoker, and Stink free for your comments as well, I totally agree and appreciate that there are those who are willing to support this...did ya get that taxpayer?? there was a smoker that was ok with this movement!!! "

    Taxpayer wrote on Jan 14, 2009 5:48 AM:

    " to wow: That zipping sound was air going over your head. Read the blog again. I do not smoke around children and to my knowledge, I have never went and blown smoke in your face and your kids. Where on earth would you take them where that could happen? I thought bars and casinos have 18 or over age rule. I was trying to show the discrimination to smokers by comparing to obese people,ie; two bedroom apt. for rent no fat people need apply. After smokers are eliminated, guess what the next target will be. But think of it this way, when you can't have a milkshake and fries anymore, when you are a second class citizen, hey, it's for your own good. "

    The Rocking R wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:36 PM:

    " I don't know how many of you know about the Rocking R bar in Bozeman, but they have been smoke free for a number of years now and it hasn't hurt them as far as I know, at first people complained about but after awhile everyone was going there again...I can't believe that the Cattle-Ac hasn't felt the hit in their restaurant area because of the smoking issue, we don't go there anymore because we can't take our kids and I know a number of schools used to take their tournament teams there for dinner when in town and could no longer do it either.
    I don't smoke and I never have even tried a cigarette so I honestly dont' get the appeal of it. I know my husband smoked for about 6 years and quit almost 9 years ago and still coughs up nasty black crap.....
    I used to really enjoy going to the Ranger and the Cattle-Ac but honestly I don't like having to shower before I can go to sleep so that I won't wake up sick from the smoke lingering on me.
    The Pizza House took a lot of flack when they first went smoke free and guess what...it didn't hurt their business.
    I think Joel is right it may hurt business for awhile, but I don't think it will hurt them that much, because there are still a whole bunch of people in Sidney and the surrounding areas that like to go out and drink. "

    stink free wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:34 PM:

    " I don't smoke and I don't drink, but the Cattle-Ac has the best food in town and it will be so nice to be able to eat there and leave not stinking like second hand smoke! "

    me again wow wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:16 PM:

    " Hey drinker....for your info I would only take my children to the RESTAURANT part of the Cattle Ac...don't you dare challenge my parenting choices... I never once have ever done anything to harm my children...and I don't gamble for that fact...I find it a terrible waste of money...I would rather spend my money and have something to show for it...Thanks for judging tho, you obviously have no idea of the person that I am ...WAY TO GO...by the way, I don't drink around my kids, Thanks anyway. "

    Come ON wrote on Jan 13, 2009 7:41 PM:

    " Ok people, why is it OK to condemn smokers? Why are we treated like pond scum and that is ok? I say we need to start taxing items such as toilet paper, groceries and cleaning supplies. Everyone buys those and since the government is so eager to take our money than they get more of those items than cigarettes. There are plenty of options for families to eat out. Why can't there be options for smokers? There are plenty of non smoking casinos, why can't there be smoking casinos? Just because we smoke doesn't mean we should be discriminated against.... "

    drinker wrote on Jan 13, 2009 7:15 PM:

    " to wowI DONT KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE BUT PERSONALY I DONT TAKE MY CHILDREN TO A BAR OR CASIO FOR DINNER.I also dont know anyone that goes to a bar for a healthy atmosphere.If you dont like the smoke there we be plenty of empty poker machines in places that dont allow smoking for you to blow your money and maybe they will hand out free carrot sticks and fruit juice. "

    Smokers Stink wrote on Jan 13, 2009 7:13 PM:

    " Your analogy to Vegas makes no sense at all. How many kitchen jobs will be lost in Montana as a result of a smoking ban? People will still go to the bars to drink beer. Where else are they going to go? Do you really think they will stay home? Other towns have taverns that have eliminated smoking on their own and have thrived. Vegas has tens of thousands of options, what does Sidney have, 10? "

    Randy wrote on Jan 13, 2009 1:22 PM:

    " To "wow". I KNOW that this isn't Vegas. The population of Las Vegas is larger than that of the entire state of Montana. While I am neither for nor against the smoking ban, I just think that people (law makers included) should look at the BIG picture before acting. The fact remains that Nevada's no-smoking law put a LOT of people out of work, taxpaying businesses saw their profits plummet (along with their tax remittances to the state), and most of those employed in the bars saw their "take home" slashed as tips dried up. Also affected were some of the support businesses that sold food and supplies to the bars, as these vendors had to eliminate employees .... As the bars closed their kitchens, the vendors that supplied the food suddenly had nothing to do. I can see the same thing happening here, albeit on a smaller scale. Time will tell. "

    wow... wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:19 AM:

    " that's a real tragedy that you won't be able to light up around me or my kids and harm us....I feel real sorry for you, it's fine if you want to do it but why should I have to limit where my family eats because some ppl can't "take it outside". I am hoping to be able to eat at the Cattle-Ac again as soon as this is in place...side note: we haven't eaten there once since my children weren't allowed in there....and Randy...this is no Vegas or Nevada for that matter, I really don't think it will hurt them that awful bad.....My husband and I stopped in Vegas this summer with our kids and I hated every minute I walked through our hotel because the stale stench of smoke was enough to choke on and I even made the comment about how much I took for granted that we didn't have to deal with that here...think about the rest of us while you puff your life away one stick at a time. "

    taxpayer wrote on Jan 13, 2009 5:50 AM:

    " Since it now leagal to discriminate against smokerers and treat them like leapers, I like to bring up a few points. Huge taxes are placed on tobbacco, singling out smokers to pay for it. Guess what the biggest killer in the USA is? Obesity, people, Fat people are what is overtaxing the health care system. Let's tax them, let's take pop and candy out of the schools, all fast food places should have a huge surcharge. If we can make it so expensive they have to change their livestyle, we'd be saving lives and our insurance costs would go down. It's secondhand obesity that disgusts me. Can I say more awfull things about fat people or would that not be acceptable? But, hey it's A OK to treat smokers as second class citizens. I agree about not lighting up around kids or in eating est. But in bars and casinos? Not a problem, I won't go there, and I won't spend any money in them. And if you are wondering why people to to Williston, It's to go to Trenton, Get smokes, not pay taxes on them, and Wally World is just a few miles further. Hope all the bars and casinos lose their smoking customers. "

    Just curious wrote on Jan 12, 2009 9:00 PM:

    " Does anyone have a cigarette I can bum off of them! "

    Randy wrote on Jan 12, 2009 2:05 PM:

    " Nevada passed a similar law a while back - if an establishment sells food, they cannot allow smoking, exempted are casinos with unlimited gaming licenses (more than 15 gaming machines). Bars that allow smoking cannot sell food...not even a bag of chips. The result - Most of the bars closed their kitchens and thousands of kitchen workers were suddenly unemployed. One company - Herbst Gaming - that operates over 8400 slots in the bars around Las Vegas had to cut its workforce by over 30% and is on the verge of bankruptcy. The bars themselves saw their business plummet and many closed their doors, as their customers started patronizing the establishments with unlimited licenses. "

    Happy Citizen wrote on Jan 12, 2009 12:29 PM:

    " Kudos to you "smoker"!! More people need to have that attitude! "

    smoker wrote on Jan 12, 2009 9:37 AM:

    " i agree with the state in passing a law against smoking in public places, even though i am a smoker. i, myself, smoke outside my home. it's my habit and i don't think my family and friends need to come to my house and smell stale smoke. i have talked with several people that are complaining about not being able to smoke in public places and i say to them, go outside. i want to be able to take my kids into a restraunte and know that they are not inhaling second hand smoke. what's so hard about keeping your habit to yourself? i happen to work in an establishment where smoking is currently allowed, but i have no problem with quitting when this law comes into effect. "

    Happy Citizen wrote on Jan 12, 2009 9:00 AM:

    " I don't know how the bars that offer a restaurant too will see a decrease in revenue since after the law passes families can start coming again. I personally can't wait to have more options to be able to take our kids with us when we eat out! I don't know why the bars and casinos don't just go smoke free now and show their customers and employees how much they care for their health! That would be a huge sign of appreciation!! "

    Gram Nurse wrote on Jan 11, 2009 11:12 AM:

    " If people want "to relax with a cigarette at lunch time", they can eat then relax in their cars for the rest of the lunch hour. Then they can smell like a stale ashtray when they return to work. "

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