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Both sides of gun control debate worth considering


Published on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:47 AM MDT


This column is probably going to get me shot seeing as I live in Montana, but I think I support gun control.

When I watched President Obama answer questions from audience members a couple weeks ago during the town hall meeting he held in Belgrade to discuss health care, there was one man whose first words to him were that he’s a “proud NRA member” “ utterly ridiculous.

Then there was the following day in Grand Junction, Colo., where NRA members proudly but quietly demonstrated, showing off their guns. Nothing screams red neck more than waving weapons to show the president how much they deserve their right to bear them. Funny how gun control has nothing to do with health care “ oh wait, except, when someone gets shot. Then I guess it has a lot to do with it.


Shootin’ the breeze
Louisa Barber
But the incidents made me think about my own opinions on gun control. I support it because in large urban areas, there is gun violence every day. I wish I could’ve found more up-to-date statistics, but according to the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, in a survey conducted in 2005, 477,040 victims of violent crimes stated that they faced an offender with a firearm. And in 2004, an estimated 66 percent of the 16,137 murders were committed with firearms.

Now, I realize there will always be murders and accidental injuries even without taking all guns away, but perhaps instituting heavy gun control would mean one less weapon to use in killing or injuring someone. I also wonder about that Second Amendment’s right to bear arms. While I believe the argument’s outdated, there’s always the possibility of “what if?” What if this country is invaded? There are always people crazy enough to try it. And what about the responsible hunters? There’s got to be a way to allow people to hunt without getting guns into the wrong hands.

But as it currently stands, gun shops require background checks before a customer can purchase a firearm. However, that isn’t stopping gang members or offenders from getting their hands on them. It’s estimated that 80 percent of those with criminal history get guns from family, friends, a street buy or an illegal source (again from the department of justice).

Perhaps most eye-opening in the debate is Michael Moore’s movie “Bowling for Columbine,” which explores gun violence in the United States. As much as I dislike him, Moore makes some compelling statements. At one point, he compares the United States, which is by far the highest, to several major countries in the number of deaths by firearms. There are those who believe that Obama, in all his liberal glory, is out to take all guns away. However, clearly something must be done, and if it was up to me there would definitely be heavy restrictions.

Louisa Barber is a reporter for the Sidney Herald. She can be reached at 406-433-2403 | reporter@sidneyherald.com

 

Comments

The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the view of the Sidney Herald.

    john wrote on Feb 3, 2010 6:57 AM:

    " gun control is the WORST thing that you could do to prevent gun voilence. All gun control does is take leagally owned guns out of the hands of law abiding citezens who own them for protection. gun control will not remove guns from the hands of the criminals who have either stolen guns or bought the illeagally on the blackmarket. The guns that are int the hands of criminals are un registered guns that you couldnt track down beause they are not registered so there is no paper work to show who owns it, where they live and where to find this person to take the gun away. so gun control only leaves inocent citezens defensless to the illeagally gun wielding criminals which will only make crime rates go up. so gun control is the most idiotic idea that ive probably ever heard. More people die every year from doctors making mistakes while treating people then guns do from murder and accidental shootings combined. so if you really want to save lives ban doctors. or at least put more strict regulations on how well they have to be trained and qualified befor they can treat somebody. "

    Bill wrote on Dec 23, 2009 11:59 AM:

    " The politicians are not interested in stiffer penalties for those that commit crime. We need to lock up the criminals and stop supporting lawyers, I happen to liven in a high crime South East USA city were murder may get you seven years but usually not anytime. You should watch this video.

    "thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/717" "

    Hey wrote on Dec 17, 2009 3:06 AM:

    " Wow, you people are all missing the point, the 2nd amendment doesn't have anything to do with your right to bear arms. The 2nd amendment wasn't written shortly after the american revolution, when we didn't have a military arm of the government and we feared british expansion. The amendment pertains to militias, not you. The national guard eradicated the need for militias eons ago. Therefore, the 2nd amendment isn't even relevant anymore. SO many of you base your argument on a fallacy. "

    amazed wrote on Sep 9, 2009 6:44 PM:

    " It amazes me that the statistic that were quoted were based on the nation not our local area. In larger cities the gun crimes are higher than small communities. That being said, us rednecks are paying for the stupidity of the non rednecks!!! I guess I would prefer to be a gun bearing , NRA lifetime member redneck than a non redneck with no gun to protect my family and community. Does Louisa feel we should take away the guns in the military also and just wait for the end of the country they are putting their lives on the line to protect? Louisa, if you have every attended a gun show, you would be surprised at the number of people who attend and purchase guns and most of them I would not consider rednecks. Please be careful of the cans of worms you choose to open. "

    Blue in a Sea of Red wrote on Sep 1, 2009 3:35 AM:

    " Yes, we have the Second Amendment, holy grail to the NRA. That being said, there are plenty of laws on the books to legally limit or deny access to mentally unbalanced persons or criminals.

    Unfortunately, those type of persons will obtain a weapon if they really want one by stealing it or buying one from the street.

    I agree we have the right to bear arms, to protect ourselves and our property. Remeber the saying, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. "

    hello wrote on Aug 31, 2009 7:37 PM:

    " I think everyone should re-read the Ethel Brost reply to this gun issue. Well done Ethel... "

    Yep wrote on Aug 31, 2009 5:18 AM:

    " We already have heavy restrictions. Do you know that it is illegal to commit gun crimes or any other crimes? Do you know that criminals don't obey the law? That's why they are criminals. It's really very simple. Just like 2+2. "

    thnx for the article wrote on Aug 30, 2009 12:17 PM:

    " I think you did a great job on your article, Louisa. This was your opinion, and not the opinion of the Herald, and I think that is great that your editor and/or publisher gives you the freedom to express your ideas or beliefs.
    With that being said, it would be nice if you had a follow-up colummn on the other side of the issue, as gun control has been a debateable problem for a very long time. When John Hinckley shot President Ronald Reagan, gun control was again thrust into the limelight as an ever increasing problem in this country.
    More recently, there have been numerous school shootings where firearms have been obtained both legally and illegally, and I believe that is what is concerning our elected officials.
    I too have taken hunter safety, and am proud member of the N.R.A., but I think we all need to be realistic, and understand that it is crazy for firearms to be in possession of mentally unstable, or drug-induced fanatics.
    Louisa again thanks for your great columns, and keep up the good work. "

    Keepin It Real wrote on Aug 30, 2009 12:05 PM:

    " Gen Yamamoto once said that he would never consider invading America because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. Take away guns and look out for a war in america! "

    opinion wrote on Aug 28, 2009 2:35 PM:

    " As far as I know this column is the writer’s opinion, it doesn’t mean it's the paper opinion, which is why it is called a column. Noting get a few people going more then a difference of opinion. Look on the bright side at least people have stopped talking about the 3 lane issue. "

    No more Herald wrote on Aug 28, 2009 9:46 AM:

    " After reading this article, I am deleting the Sidney Herald link from my computer. This article is based on ignorance. You can leave and go back to where ever you came from. "

    1shot wrote on Aug 28, 2009 9:20 AM:

    " You can’t fix stupid…. No matter the laws, we will not keep guns from the criminals or for that matter even make it harder for them to get or use them.
    This is the USA and we all have the right to express our opinion as well as own a firearm, but like I said earlier….
    If anyone with the capability and means to contribute to society but doesn’t would not have been eligible to vote, (maybe that should be a law) we would not be fighting now to remain a free Country "

    crazy redneck wrote on Aug 28, 2009 8:43 AM:

    " Mizz Barber,

    Have you ever had a violent encounter with a drug influenced individual? I have, my home was broken into at 3 am. The suspect kicked in my front door which awoke me. The suspect made about 25 feet inside my home where I confronted him with a firearm, he was armed with a belt.I had every legal justification to end his life. I did not, I ordered him to the ground at gunpoint from behind concealment and called the police. I was very, very lucky he complied. What were his intentions? according to the responding officers had I not stopped him I would not be here today.
    Mizz Barber, until you experience an encounter like that don't PREACH gun control. Maybe you would like to defend yourself with a butter knife but i will keep my guns.
    At the time of that encounter I had 160 hours of advanced firearms training (4 times more than most police officers)I believe that is why I reacted the way I did. I believe every person that owns a gun should WANT to get more advanced training its worth every penny.
    The suspect was charged with aggravated burglary which he plead down to burglary and was sentenced to 36 months probation. Pretty good 36 months probation for breaking into someones home with the intention of killing them. That Mizz Barber is why we need to reform our justice system not our gun laws. "

    editor wrote on Aug 28, 2009 7:56 AM:

    " Of course, anyone can state their opinion by writing a letter to the editor pertaining to gun control. "

    Suprised wrote on Aug 28, 2009 6:22 AM:

    " Well the Herald obviously didn't like my comment that was continuing from the first since I mentioned a name, go figure.

    Basically, I wanted to say that I am going to stop buying any Sidney Herald papers until they make right by showing they are more then just the everyday liberal media and I would ask you do you same if you feel strongly like I do. The least the Herald could do is run a pro-gun rights article to show both sides of the debate.

    Ms. Barber, I highly suggest you somehow watch the gun control episode of Penn and Teller's TV show on Showmax or Cineamax. Due to profanity in the title of the show I can't say it, but if your any type of decent reporter you should be able to find it yourself. "

    awesome wrote on Aug 28, 2009 5:43 AM:

    " You may as well go to San Fransico and start bashing gays. That view point will not cut it here. Tell me why honest, law abiding people should give up any rights because of the crimes of others. How many auto/alcohol fatalities are there each year? I still see people driving and I see people buying alcohol in the stores. Whats up with that? Continue to post opinions like this and you may cause the Herald to shut down. "

    Im an 18 yr old girl and I know my rights wrote on Aug 27, 2009 11:46 PM:

    " "A well-regulated Militia being nessesary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bare Arms shall not be infringed"
    -Second Amendent 1791

    This quote is out of my government text book I just thought that you might want to know the correct Amendment of which our Consitution gives us the right to bare arms, being as it is the topic of your article.
    I have been going hunting with my dad for as long as i can remember. When i turned 12 i took hunters safety and got my hunting license and i have been hunting ever since, i am now 18.

    There is always articles or stories on the news about someone being mugged in an alley or a girl that was raped and then beaten to death. Did you ever think of how things would have ended up if the person being mugged or raped had a gun. Possibilites are that the person that attacked them would more than likely never be able to hurt someone else again. Not every shot you make with a gun has to be a fatal shot unless you want it to be.
    If they take guns away from us it doesnt mean that a person who wants a gun badly enough cant get one. It's not possible to fully control a person, people can be and are dangerous with our without guns. "

    Ethel Brost wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:56 PM:

    " The Herald has outdone itself this issue with attacks on Montana and conservatives. Isn't this yellow journalism?

    Ms. Barber, I don't know where you hail from and I haven't been impressed with your literary ability, but you have exceeded the limits of civilized society with this pompous, misdirected tirade. Vilifying loyal patriots of America who have the strength of character to defend our nation against all enemies while providing for their families is despicable.

    Your statistics are erroneous. And, it is the 2nd Amendment that guarantees our right to carry, not the 4th Amendment. The 4th Amendment protects Americans from illegal search and seizure.

    Yes, Obama, the UN and our enemies do want to take our weapons. Bills are pouring into congress now that the Democrats are in total control.

    Please note that the rent-a-mobs at the town halls this month across the country are bused-in, paid rabble threatening and injuring peaceable citizens carrying out their right to speak to their representatives. Anyone with a weapon is quietly reminding our elected leaders that we plan to remain free, as our Constitution provides.

    "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." It's more than a catchy little jingle. "

    Cant believe wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:53 PM:

    " Well Louisa I can't believe you haven't figured out that you are not allowed to go against the grain here. This here be NRA land and God forbid anyone have an opinion that goes against the norm in this town. Don't you know we use our guns nightly fighting off all those burglers?? Apparently you have a security system to keep you safe. Sarcasm aside I enjoy your articles and the fact that you are drinking the Kool aid and not afraid to write about it!!!! "

    Montana Raised wrote on Aug 27, 2009 6:04 PM:

    " Gun control in Montana, why dont you tell the ranchers vegan is the way to go. Get real, I knew kids in Montana that brought there guns to school in their pickups after a morning of checking their traps or hunting. We were raised with NRA safety and to respect guns. Nobody ever worried that someone would get their gun and shoot up a High School. Of course none of the kids I went to school with were on ritalin. "

    Montanan wrote on Aug 27, 2009 2:37 PM:

    " Guessin will never read your articles again and maybe not read this newspaper for putting, something as foolish as this in, sounds like you need to go live in California! "

    Jordan Hall wrote on Aug 27, 2009 2:07 PM:

    " You lost me at "Michael Moore." "

    GSpot wrote on Aug 27, 2009 10:17 AM:

    " Louisa Barber,
    Please read this story, maybe then you may undrstand.

    "

    SD wrote on Aug 26, 2009 9:19 PM:

    " I have 2 silver medals from the Canadian Nationals. There are more semi-auto rifles that they call assault rifles for sale there than here. They are cheaper and it is not that hard to get a license to buy one. Handguns are harder , but they cannot keep you from having one , just paperwork. And they are cheaper. I know this because I was licensed to carry firearms in Canada.

    To get a license for a shotgun or rifle , takes far less time than a hunter`s safety course does in Montana.

    You are allowed to take the test and pass or fail without taking the course.

    It is not the law , but I have kind of been told , the rule is , don`t take the test without the course if you are going to fail.

    Let`s see how Canada`s crime and murder rate stays when the meth moves in harder.

    I am not being racist , but one reason I did not move to florida , was because all the violent cuban criminals were being let in.

    I was not afraid of the firearms , but it is very hard to see a knife and even harder to hear a knife. "

    Blondie wrote on Aug 26, 2009 7:18 PM:

    " My question is: If someone is trying to break into your home, with the intent to do physical harm to you/your family and/or steal your valuables, what would you do, if you were unable to be armed to protect yourself? Here are options: 1) Tell the person breaking in they have to wait 30 minutes until local law enforcment can respond to your home due to the fact they are on another call? 2) Open the door and reason with them, you just might change their intent to harm you. NOT!!
    Being armed to defend your home/self/family would be a much better option! "

    Seriously wrote on Aug 26, 2009 4:49 PM:

    " I'm suprised that this was published in the Sidney paper. That was a poor choice considering you just implied the majority of the readers "rednecks".

    Barber, you said, "that isn’t stopping gang members or offenders from getting their hands on them. It’s estimated that 80 percent of those with criminal history get guns from family, friends, a street buy or an illegal source (again from the department of justice)."

    Doesn't this mean that these guys are already breaking gun control laws? So you want more laws to punish the law abiding citizens? Gun control advocates always say that law abiding citizens will be able to have their guns, but obviously CRIMINALS are still getting guns (most liking stealing guns, which is already a crime that isn't stopping them). The only solution then for control advocates is to have pretty much all guns destroyed, which would make America like England. Didn't we decide back in the 1700's that we didn't want to be controlled like the English?

    Maybe we should just start punishing the severe criminals like severe criminals to solve the problem of severe crime. What you didn't mention was that America is pretty much has the highest rates of ALL crimes. I think your wanting to fix a problem with society by control instead of fixing the problem with the society. "

    LMAO wrote on Aug 26, 2009 4:39 PM:

    " The problem with gun control laws is that the politicians who impose it on a society fail to realize that criminals have no interest in obeying the law. Montana has the absolute lowest burglury rate in the nation and most folks will contribute that fact to our high rate of gun ownership, over 55% of the population.
    The whole reason for the 2nd Amendment is not just hunting. It's about self defense and even defending ourselves from the ones in power if it should come down to that.
    You can't compare the US to other nations in the world. You can't do that. I'm sure other nations have leading cuases of death that you would never have thought possible and rarely see here. It's not a perfect world and I'll keep my guns and freedom in spite of what others may want or do. I would much rather have a gun and not need it then not have a gun and need it. No what I mean? The places in the US with the strictest gun control also have the greatest crime rates. Gun control does not work. You should also look up the Montana Firearms Freedom Act and look at article 12 of the Montana Constitution. "

    Robert Bethune wrote on Aug 26, 2009 4:23 PM:

    " All human beings have an inherent right to self-defense. The right to life means nothing if life cannot be defended. It is a pity that occasions arise in all societies in which the need for self-defense becomes acute, but it is very unlikely that any means will ever be found in a free society to control all possible criminal or psychotic behavior. To deny a reasonable, law-abiding citizen the means of effective defense is to deny the right of self-defense itself since a right which cannot be exercised is meaningless. Ordinary handguns, rifles and shotguns--any firearm that fires only once for one pull of the trigger--are a reasonable and appropriate means of self-defense.

    The track record of the vast majority of people who own firearms is exemplary. There is no justification for making it more difficult for ordinary gun owners unless we can show that doing so will in fact have a strong positive advantage for controlling criminals, psychotics and such. The results we observe when gun control measures such as those widely advocated under the general heading of “gun control” are implemented clearly do not establish that any of them, singly or in combination, do in fact have a strong positive result in keeping firearms out of the hands of those who should not have them. What we need is policy that puts the focus and the burden where it belongs—on the few who will misuse firearms, not on the many who will not. "

    Bondsman wrote on Aug 26, 2009 3:24 PM:

    " Yes there could be gun control but the question is should there be and the answer is no. If you wish to look at Chicago that has it and an honest person can not have one but then those that are going to rob or kill you do have them, then what can they do to defend themselves? Gun control make them Victims and helps the criminal but then to you wishing to defend youself and family makes anyone that would do it a redneck. "

    ND Reader wrote on Aug 26, 2009 3:13 PM:

    " I usually like Barbers articles-but this one is just sad! Talk about take another swallow of kool-aid. Maybe she should dig a little deeper into the issue with an open mind-talk to some people on the other side of the issue-I've heard that's what REAL reporters do! "

    Shane wrote on Aug 26, 2009 2:47 PM:

    " "just a guy": Maybe, but correlation does not equal causation. Violent crime has decreased since Canada instituted stricter gun control, but this is merely a continuation of a trend that has existed since the late 1970's. It has more to do with social problems and demographics (for example, as baby boomers get old they commit fewer crimes).

    If you look at the picture globally and control for all other variables, gun control has no effect on violent crimes. Violence and crime have their own root causes that bear no relation to the tool used to commit them.

    Perhaps the tool can effect crime in some ways; guns may be more deadly than knives but the chances of being injured in a robbery tends to decrease with the distance you are from your attacker. You may die slightly less often from knives, but you may get injured more. If someone is planning murder and cannot find a gun, there are virtually infinite numbers of substitutes. Banning guns as a type of harm reduction ignores the core issues of why crime and violence are happening to begin with.

    Prohibition simply reduces the supply which makes it profitable for more guns to be smuggled in or illegally manufactured (which is fairly straightforward for simple firearms).

    CCW has never been shown to increase violent incidences, and may even decrease them. Gun control is fueled by ignorance and emotionally charged, irrational arguments (i.e. "Bowling for Columbine"). "

    just a guy wrote on Aug 26, 2009 1:58 PM:

    " Randy,

    Since Australia adopted stricter gun control in 1996, the annual homicide rate has gone done from 354 in 1996 to 282 in 2007. Fewer homicides are a good thing. "

    My Opinion wrote on Aug 26, 2009 12:35 PM:

    " Well it's quit obvious you're not from this area because if you were you more than likely would have never written this article. You make the comment of "nothing screams red neck more", well honey you're in red neck country and that's the way the cookie crumbles around here. Another thing to consider is that fact that guns don't kill people, people kill people. If someone wants to kill someone they're gonna do it weather they have a gun in their hand or not. They would just find other means of doing it, and yes that's sad. I depend on my riffle to provide for my family each hunting season so taking it away from me would cause alot of hard time for us. "

    Randy wrote on Aug 26, 2009 12:01 PM:

    " Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaning to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

    The fact is that if someone wants a gun, there isn't a law or regulation anywhere, that will keep that person from getting it. Gun control laws just create more hoops for law abiding citizens to jump through to be able to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights.

    Perhaps Barber should research what happened to the crime rate in Australia after the 1996 gun ban. "

    Common sense wrote on Aug 26, 2009 11:05 AM:

    " Well I would say you’re probably very accurate on what others around here would think of your opinion. If you want to live in a society with very strict gun control laws I would beg you to please immigrate to Canada. I have been there several times to visit and in general it is a very nice place. This country was founded at the end of a gun barrel and their necessity, in part, is to make sure we don’t end up having the same tyranny as our forefathers had left. You threw out a few facts and figures from somewhere but one thing you left out was how many of the victims in those crimes were either armed or unarmed. Unlike many others I expect my fellow countrymen to defend themselves just as I expect them to have a job and pay their own way through life. I am willing to stand up for those who are physically or mentally incapable of doing so and am good with letting God take care of the rest. "

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